Open Letter Chain Email Rebuttal Quot Fw Why Are We Bankrupt Quot-

15 Mar 2009 •

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Oh, got another stupid retread of a retread of a chain email that I had to debunk. Posting to the inter-tubes for the benefit of others. It seems that when you google shit like this the results tend to be topped with people reposting and rarely with posts intelligently analyzing the statements.

This one was particularly hilarious because if you actually read the sources cited, they tend to contain plenty of information that debunks their own claims!

-Jason

From: Jason Axley <redacted – die-spammers-die>
To:
Sent: Monday, March 2, 2009 6:33:13 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: WHY ARE WE BANKRUPT?
“Why isn’t this in the papers?” Because it is chock full of lies and distortions (i.e. it’s not true)! Oh, there are so many things wrong with this that I will point out just a few things.

The first to point out is that you absolutely cannot rely on the claimed “fact-checking” of chain emails. Unless this was written by your buddy bikemick (it wasn’t), and he was the one who did the fact-checking (he didn’t), then you are still passing along likely false information. And much (if not all of this) is false, which implies that probably most of it is false – no matter how much it agrees with your preconceived notions. DO YOUR OWN FACT CHECKING or just delete these if you won’t be able to vouch for the veracity of the claims.

Let’s just start at the beginning. 1. $11 - 22 billion is spent on welfare for illegal aliens each year. And they cite a supposed source to back this claim up (which actually then cites another source which DOES NOT back up the data). The latest data in the study cited is from 2001 and shows 8,274,240,000 (8 billion / year). The fact that they gave a range of x - 2x should have been a red flag to start with (don’t we know these things exactly?) They wanted to make you think it was high when it isn’t that high. Especially when compared to native and legal immigrant use of welfare, which is respectively 21 times and about 4 times higher than that (or 174 billion and 30 billion respectively)

The bogus figure comes from “FAIR, which has faced bipartisan accusations of airing “racially inflammatory” anti-immigration ads with another group, the Coalition for the Future of the American Worker.”

I also thought you would find it illuminating to consider placing blame on the companies and industries that _hire_ illegal immigrant laborers. Supply and demand folks, and with a complicit government that looks the other way to support business, you get what you get. Instead of villifying “illegals” who are just trying to feed their families, if you really want to get to the bottom of these problems, you should look at solving the market-driven problem with a market-driven solution.

From the very study that was (misquoted by the first citation below):

"If such businesses can only survive by paying poverty-level wages, creating huge costs for taxpayers in the form of welfare payments to their workers, then maintaining such an industry makes little sense. Welfare payments to low-wage workers represent a large subsidy to business. For example, if taxpayers provide health care in the form of Medicaid, then employers do not have to provide health care. Of course, employers find this a very desirable situation. Employers do not see the costs of Medicaid because they are diffuse, borne by all taxpayers, while employers have a very strong incentive to keep down their labor costs by keeping immigration high. By providing workers with welfare and other means-tested programs, taxpayers are in effect paying part of the salary for these workers. Like any business receiving subsidies, those who use unskilled labor will try very hard to retain them. The fact that some businesses wish to retain this subsidy cannot, however, justify the costs to taxpayers, or the reduction in wages for the poorest American workers. "

Additionally, the title of the CIS study cited below? “The High Cost of Cheap Labor” Right. They are pointing out that this is an economic problem created by a market that is working the way markets work with little oversight from the government.
The most damning problem of the “facts” below is that they are split out individually, then added up again (double, and maybe even triple counted). So the “total” is utter bunk. The CIS study being cited actually contains a realistic figure for the TOTAL: “Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion” That’s right – a whopping net of 10.4 billion. Not 338 billion. Their data rightly subtracts the $16 billion paid in taxes by illegals.

This email has been on the Internet for years and is now making another round as some sorry person has decided to edit it to make it “current” with the economic crisis at hand. More debunking here: https://colorado.mediamatters.org/items/200707060001

-Jason

----- Forwarded Message ----
From:
Sent: Sunday, March 1, 2009 9:27:04 PM
Subject: WHY ARE WE BANKRUPT?
This is astounding and infuriating. Why isn’t this in the papers? Please read and pass it on.
  WHY ARE WE BANKRUPT?

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You think the war in Iraq is costing us too much?    Read this:
Boy, was I confused. I have been hammered with the propaganda that it is the Iraq war and the war on terror that is bankrupting us. I now find that to be RIDICULOUS.
I & nbsp;hope the following 14 reasons are forwarded over and over again until they are read so many times that the reader gets sick of reading them.  I also have included the URL’s for verification of all the following facts.
**1. $11 Billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.    **
Verify at: https://tinyurl.com/zob77
2.    $2.2 Billion dollars a year is spent on food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
Verify at: https://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
3. $2.5 Billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
Verify at: https://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalexec.HTML
4. $12 Billion dollars a year is spent on primary and secondary school education for children here illegally and they cannot speak a word of English!
Verify at: https://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.0.HTML
5. $17 Billion dollars a year is spent for education for the American-born children of illegal aliens, known as anchor babies.
Verify at https://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML
6.   $3 Million Dollars a DAY is spent to incarcerate illegal aliens.
Verify at: https://transcripts.cnn.com/%20TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML
7.   30% percent of all Federal Prison inmates are illegal aliens.
Verify at: **https://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML8.   $90 Billion Dollars a year is spent on illegal aliens for Welfare & social services by the A merican taxpayers.
Verify at: https://premium.CNN.com/TRANSCIPTS/0610/29/ldt.01.HTML
9.   $200 Billion dollars a year in suppressed American wages are caused by the illegal aliens.
Verify at: https://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSC%20RI%20PTS/0604/01/ldt.01.HTML
**10.   The illegal aliens in the United States have a crime rate that’s two and a half times that of white non-illegal aliens. In particular, their children, are going to make a huge additional crime problem in the US **
Verify at: https://transcripts.CNN.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0606/12/ldt.01.HTML
11.  During the year of 2005 there were 4 to 10 MILLION illegal aliens that crossed our Southern Border also, as many as 19,500 illegal aliens from Terrorist Countries. Millions of pounds of drugs, cocaine, meth, heroin and marijuana, crossed into the U. S from the Southern border.
**Verify at: Homeland Security Report: h**ttp://tinyurl.com/t9sht 12.   The National policy Institute, estimated that the total cost of mass deportation would be between $206 and $230 billion or an average cost of between $41 and $46 billion annually over a five year period.’
Verify at: https://www.nationalpolicyinstitute.org/PDF/deportation.PDF
13.   In 2006 illegal aliens sent home $45 BILLION in remittances to their countries of origin.
Verify at: https://www.rense.com/general75/niht.htm>
**14.   'The Dark Side of Illegal Immigration: Nearly One million sex crimes Committed by Illegal Immigrants In The United States .'Verify at: http: // www.drdsk.com/articleshtml <https://ww w.drdsk.com/articleshtml>
The total cost is a whopping $ 338.3 BILLION DOLLARS A YEAR AND IF YOU’RE LIKE ME HAVING TROUBLE UNDERSTANDING THIS AMOUNT OF MONEY; IT IS $338,300,000,000.00 WHICH WOULD BE ENOUGH TO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY FOR THE **CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY. **
Are we THAT stupid? YES, FOR LETTING THOSE IN THE U.S. CONGRESS GET AWAY WITH LETTING THIS HAPPEN YEAR AFTER YEAR!!!
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